Abandoned House Ferren - ZeRamenGuy

[Ramen]

Update: I'm dropping Ferren because I know I will never have the time nor the motivation to terraform the lands for a second time in order to accommodate unforeseen changes that were made to the project some time ago. The castle and village both stand at around 90% completion, so anyone with a love of terraforming shouldn't have much trouble finishing the project.

 

[CashBanks]

Bump from the dead - I've discussed with Ramen and gotten his blessing to facilitate the fostering of Ferren. For those unfamiliar, Ferren is a small project in the Westerlands in a valley to the north west of Hawthorne.


As Ramen said, there's not much left to do, essentially just the addition of some more fields around the keep, a hamlet to the north west and some forest to the south.

Here's the plan:


I've run this passed Lem and she's fine with the terra plans along the area next to Hawthorne. The terra would be consistent with the latest work around Sarsfield and Parren.

So, I think the next steps are to open up the hamlet as a mini-app, it would be a simple one with 5-7 houses in the same style as /warp ferren. You can look to the various hawthorne hamlets/farms for inspiration.

I think @Iwan was one of the original approving mods, so would be great to get his sign off on the plans.

 

[AerioOndos]

Are you going to update the terrainset mountains too, like how Endy did it at Stackspear?

 

[Enah]

Just a question, can you do a foster which is essentially counted as an actual project, while having a project?

 

[lemonbear]

Typically, I'd say no. You'd have to do what endy did and temporarily drop your existing project. But other mods might disagree.

 

[CashBanks]

My argument would be that in this case I'm really just doing editor work to finish the terra, and supervising someone's mini-app for one hamlet, nothing's getting redone - so I don't think the work is substantial enough to be considered a separate project, it's essentially just the principle idea behind Otty's foster team concept

 

[EStoop]

I'm all for taking up foster projects but shouldn't you at least wait for approval before starting?

 

[CashBanks]

Well it's worth clarifying the requirements for a foster then, since this in itself is a unique situation where the original project leader (who's still a mod themselves) has approved the plans, which are essentially the same that were originally approved on his initial application anyway.

 

[EStoop]

I don't think this is a unique situation at all. Wether any of the involved builders are moderators has nothing to do with the situation.

You're saying Ramen is your approving moderator, while also being the one who originally made the plans. Since when are moderators allowed to approve their own projects?

I agree with you that fostering the project should not be a problem, after all the whole idea of fostering is finishing plans that have already been approved. However, there is still going to be a post-approval process which should be carried out by moderators who are, or were, not the builder of the project, and I think this should be streamlined beforehand. You're going to need at least one eligible moderator to approve the foster before you can start working on the project, just like any other project on the server.

 

[Emoticone11]

I agree with Stoop. We've never accepted casual in-game approvals for projects, even if from the original project lead/mod. These things all need to go through the explicit process just like any build. The last time we let a foster-like build slide beneath the forums was with Carc's cape kraken stuff, and well, that's a bit of a mess right now...

That said, I was one of the project mods before Ramen dropped it (I think??), so if you're just finishing up the terra and seeing the existing hamlet plans to completion, I'm happy to approve.

 

[CashBanks]

Have chatted to Ramen about a more elegant approach to completing Ferren so standby for an update.

 

[Ramen]

I've opted to just re-apply for Ferren and let Cash help me out with the terra that needs completion.
Application Doc

 

[lemonbear]

I approve

 

[CashBanks]

And approved by me

 

[Jakethesnake8_8]

Hi, I'd like to apply for Ferrenhamlet1, here's my Application Doc.

 

[Jakethesnake8_8]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IC8Uhq9x-AWkreHwYJhgQ_ASgwcMS-c636HeDQJfkgA/edit?usp=sharing
apparently the doc isn't public, here's the public version

 

[lemonbear]

While I love otters, the sigil actually has ferrets. Interestingly, it seems that from at least Ancient Roman times ferrets were used for hunting. Augustus even sent ferrets to the Balearic Islands to control rabbit plagues in 6BCE. In England, in 1390, a law was enacted restricting the use of ferrets for hunting to the relatively wealthy.

In terms of hunting, though, while it might make sense for a house to have a designated person/community focused on hunting, I don't know if it makes much sense to put them in an area surrounded by fields/crops.

 

[AerioOndos]

If the hunting is for pest control/the killing of rabbits, it makes a lot of sense for them to be surrounded by fields and crops. If it is for lords' sport, then it doesn't

 

[Jakethesnake8_8]

While I love otters, the sigil actually has ferrets. Interestingly, it seems that from at least Ancient Roman times ferrets were used for hunting. Augustus even sent ferrets to the Balearic Islands to control rabbit plagues in 6BCE. In England, in 1390, a law was enacted restricting the use of ferrets for hunting to the relatively wealthy.

In terms of hunting, though, while it might make sense for a house to have a designated person/community focused on hunting, I don't know if it makes much sense to put them in an area surrounded by fields/crops.

Ah I see. So no hunters or furrier. I’ll work on revising my plan. Thanks for the feedback!

 

[Jakethesnake8_8]

Okay, so I can't edit the plan image because of how I made it originally, but I have mentioned what the hunter and furrier will become on the plan document above.